07 July 2008 @ 05:16 pm
Oh, THIS is gonna hurt!!!  
Okay, you know what? I’ve had about enough of this shit.

I jokingly told some friends that “my fandom is full of divas.” Cause let’s face it, it is.

That does not mean you get to shit on someone else, or storm off in a huff when you get called on your shit, okay?



NOTE: The use of “YOU” is general, not personal.

I’ll tell my story, to get things going.

As many of you know, QAF was not my first fandom. When I got to LJ, I was a part of the Harry Potter fandom. I have friends who write for the LOTR, and others that write for Smallville. I knew that when I switched fandoms, I might lose contact with some of them. Luckily, I still manage to keep up, and most of them are still there.

The reason I got an IJ had to do with the Strikethrough. Since the fandom that I belonged to was primarily targeted, I thought I’d be better off somewhere else. Apparently, a large portion of HP agreed with me. Consequently, a chunk of QAF felt the same way.

Now, everyone didn’t follow, but that was okay. As long as I kept my LJ, I could stay in touch. I try my best, but sometimes, it’s hard living in two places. But I don’t want to lose the many people I’ve come to know at LJ, so I keep up the effort.

Shortly after the move, there was talk of “the pretty people”, “the main clique”, “the BNF’s” running the whole show at IJ, and dissing people that stayed at LJ. I’m not stupid, I saw some of the exchanges that happened. I didn’t agree with some, and agreed with others. But I never thought that the so called “split” would become, well, permanent. I don't claim to know all of what happened, and to be honest, I don't want to know. I know what I see, and it sucks. On both sides of the equation.

There are people that feel one way about QAF and fandom, those that feel otherwise. That doesn’t make any side right or wrong. You have the right to participate in fandom anyway you see fit. You have the right to maintain your comms as you see fit. But understand this. When you set out to disenfranchise any part of fandom, don’t piss and moan when they call you on it. It was your idea, after all. And don’t say that “I didn’t do anything, they can play or not, their call.” It’s bullshit. If you say your comm will only accept “blue people”, then you’ve deliberately excluded the other colors of the rainbow. How hard is that to understand?

I don’t lock my posts, I don’t disable comments, and I have never deleted my journal in a huff. Not my style. If something pisses me off, I rant about it. Don’t like it? Don’t read it. Don’t agree with it? Tough shit, I told you not to read it. I will engage anywhere, any time. Seems to me that if more people just said what the fuck was on their minds, we’d all be better off. At least then we’d know where we stood, yeah? And I have no desire to get into a “she said, no, SHE said” argument. I’ll end up telling you to STFU, you’re giving me a headache.

Yes, this was the result of something that happened today on IJ. But I’ve seen this shit coming for a long time, and I finally decided that I’d had enough. NOBODY OWNS FANDOM, OKAY?? No one is in charge, except for their journals and any comms that they maintain. I’m not saying you can’t run your comm the way you want, or say what you want in your journal. That would be pretty stupid. But be prepared for the fallout of your actions. OWN YOUR ACTIONS. That’s all I’m saying.

Now, anyone that didn’t like what I said, defriend me. I’m sure there will be people upset by what I have to say, but consider this: are you upset because you feel wronged...or because you may have done wrong? If you feel I’m somehow singling you out, you’re right. I am. That is, you collectively. Again, if this pisses you off, you know what to do. I’ll be upset, but I’ll get over it. I’m a big girl. And life is too short for fucking drama. Plus, it gives me a migraine.

I’m posting this on IJ and LJ.

Fuck, I hate Mondays.

Peace out.

ETA: I just got home from work, where I was when I posted this, and it occurred to me that some people may not know what caused this. Suffice it to say that I'm talking about a fairly new comm. Let me also add that what happened was totally not cool, and I hope that the people involved find a way to resolve this. Maybe they can, maybe not. But hopefully this will serve as a reminder that there are real people behind these journals, and they have feelings, too.
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Sidhe: 414 Emmett Excuse Me[info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
A. You are brilliant and well-spoken as always. I have no idea what's happened (some days I'm glad I have to work 10+ hours - keeps me out of trouble. :D)

B. I got some Eddie Izzard - if that will make Monday better?
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vlredreign[info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 12:57 am (UTC)
OMG, yes!!!! GIMME EDDIE!!!!!!

"Cake or death?"
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(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:00 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]plasticine_star on July 8th, 2008 01:31 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:34 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:41 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:43 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:46 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]plasticine_star on July 8th, 2008 01:49 am (UTC)
I'll Watch Your Clip If You'll Watch Mne :D - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:51 am (UTC)
Re: I'll Watch Your Clip If You'll Watch Mne :D - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:53 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:01 am (UTC)
dls[info]dirtylttlescret on July 8th, 2008 12:39 am (UTC)
Shit, I don't know what is going on with my comments. I meant to say, this post rocks. And thank you for writing it.
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vlredreign[info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 12:58 am (UTC)
I really have had enough, dls. These are people, with feelings. And it hurts when people step on them.
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(no subject) - [info]dirtylttlescret on July 8th, 2008 01:07 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]firehead30 on July 8th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
Minxie[info]the_minx_17 on July 8th, 2008 12:40 am (UTC)
Actually, I'm very amused by what you said. But then again, you generally do make me smile because I run across very few people who will lay it all out and own their words. *G*

Tangent... are you playing in Bring Back the Porn this year? You have the in with those other fandoms. *cheeky grin* I have banners if you want - just let me know. *smooches and gropes*
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vlredreign[info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:00 am (UTC)
You know mme, Minxie. I've learned that you gotta call it like you see it, and if you're wrong, own that, too.

And hell yes, I'm playing!!! Send the banner anytime, and I will pimp that bitch for all she's worth!!!

Oooh, groping!!! *gropes back*
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(no subject) - [info]the_minx_17 on July 8th, 2008 01:32 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]the_minx_17 on July 8th, 2008 01:34 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:42 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]the_minx_17 on July 8th, 2008 01:53 am (UTC)
happier_bunny: rainbow[info]happier_bunny on July 8th, 2008 12:40 am (UTC)
Don't lie...you totally run fandom, just like the wizard ruled Oz. ;P
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vlredreign[info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:02 am (UTC)
ROTFL

Yeah, and I got some beachfront property in Kansas, too! lol

I just...you know? Enough, really, Mistress.
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firehead: Beauty of balance[info]firehead30 on July 8th, 2008 01:05 am (UTC)
I think she is rather silly, brilliant but silly.
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brianslave68: bj worship you[info]brianslave68 on July 8th, 2008 12:44 am (UTC)
You pretty much said it all. That's one of the many things I like about you. I can't really disagree with a single word you said.
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vlredreign[info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:03 am (UTC)
But you know the best part? If you did, then we'd hash it out like adults, right? that's my point. Don't be all coy and shit, say what you mean! I learned the hard way that that can come back and bite you, hard.
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rosy5000: BJ made of win[info]rosy5000 on July 8th, 2008 12:55 am (UTC)
Very well said. A lot of this is the reason why, no matter the fandom, I stick with my friends and the general comms. No matter what the fandom is, there's going to be people who cause problems, intentionally or unintentionally. I've been through the wank in SV, thankfully that's all so far.
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vlredreign[info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:05 am (UTC)
Rosy, I've been through wank in HP and QAF. I heard the wars in LOTR were something else, and thankfully missed it in SV, where I was just a reader. Although that was my first posted story. Weird, huh?

Damn...I need some Clex, it's been too long. Know anything good? :D
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(no subject) - [info]rosy5000 on July 8th, 2008 01:33 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:44 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]rosy5000 on July 8th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
plasticine_star: Brian and Rage[info]plasticine_star on July 8th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
I ♥ you.

I agree 100% with everything you said. I'm pissed at all this bullshit. I might just have to borrow Lucius's pimp cane to smack a few heads...
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(no subject) - [info]firehead30 on July 8th, 2008 01:03 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]plasticine_star on July 8th, 2008 01:53 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:06 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sidhe on July 8th, 2008 01:29 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:45 am (UTC)
firehead: Beauty of balance[info]firehead30 on July 8th, 2008 01:04 am (UTC)
Hey, can I defriend you? I wanna, just so I can friend you again for this post.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:07 am (UTC)
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(no subject) - [info]dirtylttlescret on July 8th, 2008 01:09 am (UTC)
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(no subject) - [info]dirtylttlescret on July 8th, 2008 02:19 am (UTC)
cupcakes: LOSTBOYSBlood Sucking Brady Bunch[info]4cupcakes1988 on July 8th, 2008 01:06 am (UTC)
Well said. And this is supposed to be our playground away from all the bullshit. I still don't get it all...Maybe I'm too new & I don't know the history from whence it came...It makes me sad, regardless.

You do give me a chance to use my Lost Boys icons...I know you can appreciate them.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]4cupcakes1988 on July 8th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:50 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]4cupcakes1988 on July 8th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
vamphile[info]vamphile on July 8th, 2008 01:26 am (UTC)
exactly. We all make choices. All choices have consequences.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)
jule1122: by foreverbm-BJ embrace love is[info]jule1122 on July 8th, 2008 01:50 am (UTC)
I hate wank. I know this one and others have been coming for a long time, but I still hate it. I just see people who can no longer hear each other, who talk at each other instead of to each other. Just like in RL, but in RL you often have to make it work while in fandom it's easier to walk away hurt and hurting others. I'm tempted to fly a bif Switzerland flag in my journal.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:54 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]jule1122 on July 8th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 02:08 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]firehead30 on July 8th, 2008 01:56 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]jule1122 on July 8th, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
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Ny: 122 Dont fuck balloons ia[info]not_yet_defined on July 8th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)
i started to reply to this. it got lengthy and kept coming out wrong. i got tired. i decided to delete it.

but then i still really wanted to use this icon in my response.

so there you go.









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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]not_yet_defined on July 8th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
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xie_xie_xie: Daphne is pissed in pigtails[info]xie_xie_xie on July 8th, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
What has me particularly distressed about this, other than my general hatred of wank, is the statement, in a post with comments disabled, that:
Maintainers of communities have the right to allow which ever members they want and for what ever reasons they want and for personal correspondence to be publicly displayed so that everyone can stand back and say ‘how dare they do that’ and once again set people apart is about as low as one can go I believe.

Well, yes, they do. That's right. But when they vaunt their alternative community as a place of harmony and inclusion where all are welcome, then exclude someone in such a pointed way simply because of their pairing and because they have "other fandom places to play," they shouldn't be so shocked when they get called on hypocrisy.

I have no problem with a community based around a pairing, nor do I have a problem with a community that is open to all pairings. I play in both kinds of community. However people want to play is their business. I love Brian and Justin and Ben and Michael and Drew and Emmett and Melanie and Lindsay, and have written them all, and will continue to do so. But this isn't about that.

To me, it's about saying you are all about inclusion -- and frankly, unfairly implying some other community is not -- and then to not walk the talk. And when you're called on it, to try to divert attention from the fundamental injustice that was done to a fandom member by complaining that your rejection letter wasn't meant to be public. I just find that hard to accept or even understand.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 03:22 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]the_minx_17 on July 8th, 2008 03:42 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 04:02 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]happier_bunny on July 8th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]plasticine_star on July 8th, 2008 05:54 am (UTC)
tweedygal[info]tweedygal on July 8th, 2008 04:00 am (UTC)
&hearts

I have deliberately hidden my head in the sand for most of the evening.

I stated facts in my own post about being denied membership in a community for something I love dearly. You put honest and thoughtful reasoning behind yours and I love that you did. Thanks, Red.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 8th, 2008 04:08 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tweedygal on July 8th, 2008 04:31 am (UTC)
elyxer[info]elyxer on July 8th, 2008 02:02 pm (UTC)
*claps* I agree that everyone should stop and think about what they are doing or saying. I know it's easy to use the anonymity a journal provides to say and do things you wouldn't do in person, but it's sad that some forget that the people they are excluding or flaming have feelings. It's always disappointed me that in a fandom that really should be based on acceptance, there is so much hypocrisy and exclusion. Thanks for your thoughts.
Hugs!
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You forum very nice nmbd - (Anonymous) on October 5th, 2008 03:29 am (UTC)
elyxer[info]elyxer on July 8th, 2008 02:08 pm (UTC)
Completely and totally off topic...I just wanted to say that you're layout ROCKS! Gotta love Lucius. *grins*
Hugs!
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 12th, 2008 03:26 am (UTC)
wielder of the pointy sticks of doom: Gaspard Ulliel fashion spot[info]snapesgirl_62 on July 8th, 2008 05:33 pm (UTC)
no clue what caused you to rank. as usual, you hit the nail on the head and are very to the point with your comments. *loves on you*

the journals are a place to play, and I think far too many forget we are here for the fun. *finds pretty boy to help make your day better*
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 12th, 2008 03:29 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]snapesgirl_62 on July 12th, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC)
Kia: gale reading[info]maybe742 on July 9th, 2008 03:19 pm (UTC)
Now, anyone that didn’t like what I said, defriend me.

The contrary is the case. I friend you because this post brought some light into my darkness. I think I understand a little better what's going on in fandom now.
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(no subject) - [info]vl_redreign on July 12th, 2008 03:34 am (UTC)